by Tina Whittle
Karen
Abbott’s latest book, Liar, Temptress,
Soldier, Spy, weaves together the stories of four very different
women—a socialite, a farm girl, an abolitionist, and a widow—who became spies
during the Civil War, two working as operatives for the Confederacy and two for
the Union. A meticulous research, she is a featured contributor to Smithsonian magazine’s history blog, Past Imperfect, and
also writes for “Disunion,” the New York Times
series about the Civil War.
She
graciously agreed to share how she came to write what USA Today
calls “sizzle history” and gives us a sneak preview of topics to come in her
Savannah Book Festival presentation (Saturday, February 14th, at 2:50—3:50
at Trinity United Methodist Church in Telfair Square).
Tina
Whittle: Your writings—including your latest book, Liar,
Temptress, Soldier, Spy—focus on real women whose stories don’t show
up in history texts. What drew you to their stories?
Karen
Abbot: Obviously, history is mainly written about men, by men, and for men. And
every time I’d read a historical account—of reform efforts, of the evolution of
entertainment, of war, of anything—I’d immediately ask: what were the women
doing? And not just any women—what were the “bad” women doing? The defiant,
revolutionary women? In the case of Liar, Temptress,
Soldier, Spy, I wanted to find four women who lied, seduced,
wheedled, plundered, spied, drank, avenged, stole, and murdered their way
through the American Civil War. Of course these women had no vote, no
straightforward access to political discourse, no say in how the battles were
waged, so I wanted to spotlight the ways they were able to change the course of
the war—and, in the process, their own lives.
TW:
And such fascinating lives they led! Two of them Union, two Confederate, all of
them defying cultural expectations through their activities both on the
battlefield and behind enemy lines. In a culture where the word “feminist” often
provokes controversy, what can contemporary women learn from their
nineteenth-century counterparts?
KA: I
am loath to tell women—of any era—how they should be conducting themselves or
how they should label themselves. But were it not for those incredibly brave
and (for the time) radical 19th century feminists, women today would not have
the luxury of debating the semantics of that word. One of my favorite anecdotes
about Union spy Elizabeth Van Lew: every year, when she paid her property
taxes, she included a note objecting to not having a vote. All four women in
the book were well ahead of their time, in many respects.
TW: Yes,
that was one of the first things that struck me as I read your book. Despite
differences in the four women’s political beliefs and socioeconomic statuses, there
was a skill each wielded as finely as any weapon—the ability to manipulate
societal expectation.
KA: Absolutely!
These women masterfully exploited society’s ideas and expectations of
“womanhood.” War, like politics, was men’s work, and women were supposed to be
among its victims, not its perpetrators. Women’s loyalty was assumed, regarded
as a prime attribute of femininity itself. But after Confederate operative Rose
Greenhow was captured, there arose a question—one that would persist throughout
the war—of what to do with what one Lincoln official called “fashionable women
spies.” Their gender provided them with both a psychological and physical
disguise; while hiding behind social mores about women’s proper roles, they
could hide evidence of their treason on their very person, tucked beneath hoop
skirts or tied up in their hair. Women, it seemed, were capable not only of
significant acts of treason, but of executing them more deftly than men.
TW: Your
biography states that you are a native of Philadelphia who now lives in New
York City. How did the Civil War South find its way onto your writerly radar?
KA: I
spent six years in Atlanta, and was immediately struck by the way the Civil War
seeps into daily life and conversation down there in a way it never does up
North. It was quite a culture shock to see the occasional Confederate flag on a
lawn, and to hear the jokes about the “War of Northern Aggression.” The point
was really driven home one day when I was stuck in traffic on Route 400. For
two hours I idled behind a pickup truck emblazoned with a bumper sticker: DON’T
BLAME ME: I VOTED FOR JEFFERSON DAVIS. As soon as I got home, I began looking
for Civil War heroines.
TW: It’s
obvious to any reader that you do a lot of research—the endnotes to Liar, Temptress, Soldier, Spy are a novella-length work all
their own (approximately sixty pages). How do you manage to find—and keep—the
storyline amidst so many facts and statistics and competing narratives?
KA: My
goal was to tell the story of the Civil War through the perspectives of these
four women, and to tell it in a way it hadn’t been told before. It was
important to me that the women’s stories all connect in some way, that there
was a cause and effect, that one woman’s actions influenced another’s circumstances.
So it was a challenge to map out all of these connections, especially since I’m
sort of a technological Luddite; I’m sure there are programs to help writers
keep track of such things, but I don’t own or operate any of them. Plus, I’m
very tactile; I like to physically move the puzzle pieces around and see where
they might fit. At one point, I printed out the entire book and spread it all
over my apartment floor—a bit difficult when your apartment is only 600 square
feet. I also am addicted to post-it notes and outlines; by the time my research
is finished, I’ll have a 100-page outline of the book’s major events and the
sources I’ll need to write them.
TW: Are
you planning on doing research while you’re in Savannah, famously gifted to
Abraham Lincoln as a Christmas present from General Sherman?
KA: I
love Savannah—I used to visit fairly often when I lived in Atlanta—and I’m
excited to get back there. I think I’ll have to do the “March to the Sea”
walking tour. And also eat as much shrimp and grits as possible.
TW: Savannah
is a great place for both eating and exploring the dark corners of history. The
attraction of shrimp and grits needs no explanation. What is it about the
notorious and nefarious that catches your scholarly interest?
KA: I’ve
always been interested in “dark” subjects, all things hidden and mysterious.
When I was a kid, maybe 13 or 14, I used to write stories about murderous,
cross-dressing matrons and submit them (fruitlessly, of course) to Ellery Queen
and Alfred Hitchcock magazines. I’d blame at least part of this interest on my
Catholic school education, which—at least in my experience—elevated subversive
and taboo topics by refusing to discuss them. Of course I wanted to prod and
poke and examine the things that were kept just out of reach.
TW: So
now that you have three best-selling books on the historical nonfiction
shelves, what’s next?
KA: My
next project is a novel, based on a real-life Gilded Age con artist. The
historical record is too insufficient for a work of nonfiction, so I’m trying
my hand at fiction. It’s challenging me in different ways; now I actually have
to call upon my imagination to invent, to put flesh on the historical bones.
The one frustration about history is that dead people don’t always say or do
what you want them to, and I’m looking forward to having more control over that.
TA:
And we’re looking forward to that next book!
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Karen Abbott is the New York Times bestselling author
of Sin in the Second City, American Rose, and, most recently, Liar Temptress
Soldier Spy, which was named one of the best books of 2014 by Library Journal, the Christian Science Monitor,
Amazon, and Flavorwire, and optioned by Sony for a miniseries. She has written
for the New York Times, the New York
Times Book Review, the Wall Street Journal,
Smithsonian magazine, Salon, and other publications. A native of Philadelphia, she
now lives in New York City with her husband and two African Grey parrots, Poe
and Dexter.
Tina
Whittle is a crime fiction writer living and working in Southeast Georgia. Her
Tai Randolph/Trey Seaver mysteries have garnered starred reviews in Kirkus, Publisher’s Weekly,
Booklist, and Library
Journal. The fourth book in this Atlanta-based series—Deeper Than the Grave—was released in November from Poisoned
Pen Press. You can read more about her and her work at www.tinawhittle.com.